Charles PENNEY ¹ was born in 1852 in Kernow, England. Charles married Jessie FRANKLIN on 21 Feb 1898 in of, Moutere, Nelson, New Zealand.

Charles worked as Wesleyan minister.

B
M  1898 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration.

Jessie FRANKLIN [Parents] ¹ was born on 28 Mar 1865 in Moutere, Nelson, New Zealand. She died on 27 Mar 1944 in Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand. She was buried on 29 Mar 1944 in Ruru Cemetery, Bromley, Canterbury, New Zealand. Jessie married Charles PENNEY on 21 Feb 1898 in of, Moutere, Nelson, New Zealand.

Other marriages:

MILLS, George (Tinsmith)

B  NZ Reg. Gen. Cert #45754 issued 28 Jan 1960.  Also listed as Motueka, Nelson, NZ.
M  To George MILLS 1887 NZ Reg. Gen. Cert #12350 issued 27 mar 1961. To Charles PENNY 1898 NZ Reg. Gen. Cert #12349 issued 27 mar 1961.
D  1944 NZ Reg. Gen. Cert #11702 issued 27 mar 1961.
Bur  Place is Ruru Cem., Bromley (1st field).  Christchurch is either the town or the area close by.

Daniel O'SHEA ¹ was born about 1872 in Wanganui, Wellington, New Zealand. Daniel married Mary Ann FRANKLIN about 1896 in Wanganui, Taranaki, New Zealand.

NZ National Registry.

Mary Ann FRANKLIN [Parents] ¹ was born on 29 Sep 1876 in Hokitika, Westland, New Zealand. She died on 19 Nov 1940 in Auckland H Pt Ch, Auckland, Auckland, New Zealand. She was buried on 20 Nov 1940 in Waikumete, South Auckland, New Zealand. Mary married Daniel O'SHEA about 1896 in Wanganui, Taranaki, New Zealand.

B   1876 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration.
M
D  1940 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration.  Place is Auckland Hospital, Pt.
  Chevalier, Auckland, North Island, NZ.
NOTE:  Has a female child born about 1910.

Robert George ELLWOOD (Farmer) ¹ was born in 1885 in Cowra, Queensland, Australia. Robert married Hilda Elizabeth FRANKLIN on 09 Feb 1918 in St. Andrews Church, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.

Australia Reg. Gen. Registration.

Hilda Elizabeth FRANKLIN [Parents] ¹ was born in 1897 in Carcoar, New South Wales, Australia. Hilda married Robert George ELLWOOD (Farmer) on 09 Feb 1918 in St. Andrews Church, Sydney, New South Wales, Australia.

B  Australia Reg. Gen. Registration.

NOT SURE OF SOURCE

Albert Sefton MILLS [Parents] ¹ was born in 1889 in of, Nelson, Nelson, New Zealand. Albert married Edith May POPORE.

NZ Gen. Reg.

Edith May POPORE. Edith married Albert Sefton MILLS.

Thor GUNDERSEN [Parents] ¹ was born in Cal 1801 in Norge. Thor married Emilie Caroline RØDEL on 01 Jul 1836 in Tårnborg, Sorø, Danmark.

B  Date calculated from marriage cert. (FHL 52,390),p 189.  Place listed in 1845 Odense, Denmark census index (FHL 396,340).  Actual census on FHL 39220, p. 384.  Age in census, however, listed birth as 1800.  There were only two people in the 1801 census index who were listed as 1 year old, both in More og Romsdal.  From his marriage, calculated birth year was 1797.
M  IGI, Batch #M204623;0148.  Married in den Herre Zebaoths Kirke in Garnisons Sogn (Sogn='parish').  Check this.  They were married in Taarnborg.  Might have more info in Herre Zebaoths Kirke about where he came from in Norway.

NOTES/LOG:
-- See this person's father's notes for more info on him.
-- CHECK IGI (NEW AND OLD) FOR THIS GUY.  IT IS POSSIBLE HE HAS ALREADY BEEN EXTRACTED!!  not as of 1997.
-- SIMPLY CHECK 1801 CENSUS FOR THOR WITH MOTHER THORA AND FATHER GUNDER.  SEE IF CAN FIND ONE BORN BETWEEN ABOUT 1797 AND 1801.  IF THERE IS ONLY ONE, NAB IT AS BEING CORRECT ONE.  IF NOT ONLY ONE, PICK ONE CLOSEST TO 1797, BIRTHDATE CALCULATED FROM EARLIEST POSSIBLE DATE, MARRIAGE IN 1836.
-- There were children 4 and 4 1/2, two others 3 years old.  I believe it could
be the first:
!4 yrs  Ostfold, Idd, FHL 125,906.  Checked births, deaths through p. 119.  He is 69, p. 116.  I actually am doubting this one because Thor Gundersen's father was Gunder and mother Thore/a.
4 yrs  Ostfold, Trogstad, FHL 126,039.  Checked births, deaths 1801-1806.
3 yrs  Buskerud, Norderhov, FHL 124,052.  Checked all of 1797 and 1798.  Might want to recheck it.  Roya had a hard time reading.
3 yrs  More og Romsdal, Tingvoll, FHL 125,036.  Checked through p. 73. The second half of the film contains the records of proper years.  Stopped here and went back to 1797, since the census was taken 1 Feb 1801.  Calculated birthdates should be checked between 1 Feb of the year subtracted from 1801 and go to 1 Feb of the previous year.  Got back to and incl. p. 57 going back from end of 1797.  Check ONLY the left side of each page, noting carefully that the left side is TINGVOLD parish and the right side is FREDOE and ORE parishes!  These are not the easiest to read and it looks like every day is calculated on a feast.
!Only checked for 3, 4, and 5 year-olds.  There are two 7 year-olds, 1 6, and
2 1-year olds:
7 yrs  Vestfold, Sande, Myre, FHL 127,645 (UV)
6 yrs  Akershus, Ascher, FHL 123,213 (UV)

NEED TO CHECK THE FICHES WHICH I DIDN`T PUT DOWN PARISH NAMES OF:

Fiche 6,200,864, Hedemark
Thore Gundersen 9 yrs  Hedemark, Naes, Purechiestad.  Found Norway, Hedemark, Hedemarken includes clerical district of Nes.  Probate is all I could find under this heading.  Maybe check Purechiestad.

Fiche 6,201,112, More og Romsdal (3 more in addition to the three year old)
Thor Gunders. 7 yrs,  More og Romsdal, Haram, Langved.
Thore Gundersen 1 yrs,  "    "    ", Tingvold, Fladsaett or Frede Nedr?
Thore Gunderson 1 yrs,  "    "    ",  Stangvig, Vatten

Fiche 6,200,931, Oppland
Tore Gundersen, 10 yrs, Oppland, Lessoe, Uleteeg.

Fiche 6,201,257, Rogaland
Thore Gundersoen, 12 yrs, Rogaland, Strand, Lyse

AS FAR AS THE NAME THORE, IT IS FEMININE, ACCORDING TO A CONSULANT AT THE LIBRARY. HE SAID IN NORWAY IT IS ALWAYS FEMALE.  INTERESTINGLY, HOWEVER, ON THE HEDEMARK ONE WHO IS 9 YRS OLD, ALL THE OTHER PEOPLE WITH NAME "GUNDERS" WERE MALE.  IT MIGHT BE WORTH CHECKING ALL THESE SUPPOSED FEMALES JUST TO BE SURE.  Thore's were also males, in fact, probably more likely that it was male.  Bag this last piece of advice.

-- Is there any way at all to find out if he came here from Norway?  There are Pasprotokol records under FHLC - Denmark, Soro, Slagelse - Emigration and immigration:

Pasprotokol 1815 - 1834 ......................................... FHL 314,900
1833 - 1850 ..................................................... FHL 314,901
1850 - 1859 ..................................................... FHL 314,902
1860 - 1868 ..................................................... FHL 314,903
no index
Usually, people travelling between countries in Scandinavia didn't have a passport, but may as well try to find it.  He was md in 1836, so check 314,900 and 314,901.

-- Also, check his son, Gunder Heinrich GUNDERSEN's records in New Zealand.  There might be something giving his history.  Gunder's picture is already in a book and there might be more on him.  Check archives, histories, funeral  Transcripts, obituaries, funeral home records, other books.
-- Other ideas:
-- Check them in military records, Odense Koebstad Skt. Hans Laegsruller 48, 49, 50, and Taarnborg and Slagelse earlier life.  Find other kids in censuses and parish records.  Look for kids and parent in differernt towns for Laegsruller.
-- Checked entire Norway census 1801.  Didn't find any kid with mother whose name was Thora.  Did find one (he was born 1798) whose mother's name was Tharan.  He was from Telemark, Sannikedal, Strand, census film 6,200,745, L-03#44.  Sex unknown. Also, a person who was with grandparents, no parents listed, enumerated in Buskerud, Nordrehough (Nordrehov), Schotland, FHL 6,200,774, K-03#30.  Grandparents were extremely old (70's and 80's).
-- Check to see in IGI if Tharan is Thora also.
-- Checked Taarnborg, Norre Lyndelse for Thor's military records, found nothing. Still need to check Odense, Skt. Hans and Slagelse.
-- Searched test version of IGI 22 Jul 2002, but didn't find anything -- SRE, 23 Jul 2002.
-- Search performed by Dee Ann Larsen in May 2006 on DDD at ddd.dda.dk/ yielded:
Samtlige personer i husstanden
Odense, Aasum, Nørre Lyndelse, Dømmestrup, , , 95, FT-1840
Der vises flg. felter:
Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested
Peder Hansen, 63 , Gift, , snedker, Ane Rasmusdatter, 75 , Gift, , hans kone, Mariane Granandatter, 17 , Ugift, , tjenestepige, Thor Gundersen, 39 , Gift, , gartner, Karoline Rudal, 29 , Gift, , hans kone, Henrik Gundersen, 5 , Ugift, , barn, Thora Gundersen, 3 , Ugift, , barn, Mariane Gundersen, 1 , Ugift, , barn,
Kilde: FT-1840 Kildehenvisning: 81
Navn: Thor Gundersen
Alder: 39 Civilstand: Gift
Erhverv: gartner
Sogn: Nørre Lyndelse Herred: Aasum
Amt: Odense Stednavn: Dømmestrup
Husstands-/familienr: 95 Matr.nr/adresse: et hus
Antal familier/hus: 2
Indtastningsnr: C7103 Løbenr.: 617

Another entry found by Dee Ann:
Shon Edwards to me More options 12:24 am (4 minutes ago)
# ------------ Původní zpráva ------------# Od: Shon Edwards ># Předmět: Thor Gundersen folketaelling 1850# # Datum: 26.4.2006 19:20:12# ----------------------------------------# Samtlige personer i husstanden# odense, Odense, Odense Købstad, Odense Kiøbstad, , , , FT-1850# Der vises flg. felter:# Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested# Thor Gundersen, 51 , Gift, , gartner, Norge# Emilie født Rode, 39 , Gift, , hans kone, Kjøbenhavn# Gunder Gundersen, 15 , Ugift, , deres søn, Slagelse# Theresa Gundersen, 13 , Ugift, , deres datter, Korsøer# Mariane Gundersen, 11 , Ugift, , " [deres datter], Søbysøgaard# Emilie Gundersen, 8 , Ugift, , " [deres datter], Odense## Kilde: FT-1850Kildehenvisning: 266# Navn: Thor Gundersen# Alder: 51Civilstand: Gift# Erhverv: gartner# Fødested: Norge# Sogn: Odense KøbstadHerred: Odense# Amt: OdenseStednavn: Odense Kiøbstad# Matr.nr/adresse : Frue Kirkestræde no 709# Antal familier/hus: 1# Indtastningsnr: B5984Løbenr.: 9342

FROM WIKIPEDIA, http://simple.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iceland:  "In 1262 , Iceland became part of Norway . In 1814 it became part of Denmark . In the 19th century , many Icelanders wanted to be independent from Denmark. In 1918 , Iceland got many powers of its own, but the king of Denmark was still king of Iceland.".
FROM THIS, WE KNOW THAT IN 1801 WHEN THOR WAS SUPPOSED TO HAVE BEEN BORN, ICELAND WAS PART OF NORWAY.  ALSO, FROM 1814 ON, IT WAS PART OF DENMARK.  COULD THIS BE WHY IT WAS SO EASY FOR HIM TO HAVE SHOWN UP IN DENMARK RECORDS, AND YET NOT APPEAR IN THE 1801 CENSUS OF NORWAY?

Emilie Caroline RØDEL [Parents] ¹ was born on 06 Mar 1812 in Skt. Petri, København, København, Danmark. She was christened on 28 May 1812 in Skt. Petri, København, København, Danmark. Emilie married Thor GUNDERSEN on 01 Jul 1836 in Tårnborg, Sorø, Danmark.

B  Calc. from mar. cert.  Place from 1845 Odense Denmark census.  Birth in this same census listed as 1810.  Also parish records from Skt. Petri (German) sogn FHL 44,524.
Chr  FHL 44,524.
M  IGI, Batch #M204623;0148. (FHL 52,390) p. 189.

Johan David BAHN [Parents] ^{1, 2, 3, 4} was born ⁵ on 01 Jan 1808 in Gisselfeld Manor, Bråby, Sorø, Danmark. He was christened on 28 Feb 1808 in Gisselfeld Manor, Bråby, Sorø, Danmark. He died ^{6, 7} on 24 Feb 1892 in Odense, St. Knuds S. He was buried on 01 Mar 1892 in Odense, Assistens Kgd. Johan married ^{3, 4, 8} Anne Marie BAGGESEN on 07 Aug 1835 in Garnison, København, København, Danmark.

He was baptized on 01 Jan 1808 in hjemmet. He was confirmed in PåSKE 1823% in Bråby K, Ringsted H.

B  Braby parish records, FHL 50,811.
C  same
M  Garnisons parish records, FHL 44,380, p. 621.  Sealing Batch #M328559;2604.

OCCUPATION:  Farmer.

NOTES/LOG:
-- MR  These people found in Trostrup Korup, Odense, DK in 1855 census. Daughter Johanne Kirstine BAHN found in confirmation records in Trostrup Korup, Korup but next daughter, Marie Mathilde BAHN not found.  They must have taken off.  Farmers moved around a lot and had to go where there was work.  Moving out records of Trostrup Korup turned out nil.  His name was in, but no record of anything listed.  FOUND IN MOVING IN RECORDS (TILGANGSLISTER) FHL 50,267. Moved in (14 NOV?) 1853 from Dallund (Dalum?, Odense, DK). 2)  Checked Dalum, Odense, DK index between 1826 and 187?, found no Johan David BAHN.
-- Checked 1860 Trostrup Korup census; they were gone by then, FHL 39,562.
-- Found them in FHL 517,605, Odense death and marriage index under BAHN.  They must have moved back shortly after 1855 census.  The wife is dead in 1859, so missed the 1860 barely.  Try finding him to see if they had additional children since they left Korup.  They were not in 1845 Odense census index and must have been in Sweden then (kids born 1844 and 1846 there).  Tried somewhat, but 1860 is apparently not an indexed census for Odense.
-- In 1850 census, his family is listed at Odense, Lunde, Lunde, Beldringe, house 89, FHL 39,344 (Lunde betwen Lumby and Norup).  He was listed as being a gardner in Dallund, though not listed with his family.
-- Is there another child, who died early, and who was born between Johanne Kirstine and Marie Mathilde in Sweden?  Possibly, possibly not.  There is a 3-year gap - SRE 21 Oct 2001.
-- Checked tilgangslister at Lyngby 1834-43, and found nothing.  At time of marriage was from Frederiksdal, close to Lyngby.  Also one of his witnesses was from Frederiksdal - SRE, 13 Feb 2003.

Entries found by Dee Ann Larsen in May 2006:
Shon Edwards to me More options 12:25 am(6 minutes ago)
# ------------ Původní zpráva ------------# Od: Shon Edwards ># Předmět: Johan David Bahn# Datum: 26.4.2006 21:22:54# ----------------------------------------# ## Samtlige personer i husstanden# odense, Odense, Sankt Hans Landsogn, Hedevigslunde Skovhuse, , , 40, FT-1860# Der vises flg. felter:# Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested# Johan David Bahn, 53 , Enke(mand), huusfader, gartner, leier,# Marie Mathilde Bahn, 16 , Ugift, deres børn, holder huus for faderen,# Lovise Andrea Bahn, 14 , Ugift, deres børn, ,# Caroline Amalia Bahn, 10 , Ugift, deres børn, ,# Johan Hermann Bahn, 8 , Ugift, deres børn, ,## Samtlige personer i husstanden# odense, Odense, Odense Købstad, Odense Kjøbstad, , , 1, FT-1880# Der vises flg. felter:# Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested## ## Laurits Christian Marius Wendelbo, 27 , Gift, sergent, huusfader, , Odense# Caroline Amalie Wendelbo, 29 , Gift, hans kone, , Lunde sogn, Odense Amt# Agnes Marie Wendelbo, under 1 aar , Ugift, deres datter, , Odense# Johan David Bahn, 72 , Enke(mand), gartner (konens fader), , Gisselfeld, Sorø# Amt## ## Samtlige personer i husstanden# odense, Odense, Korup, Korup By, , , 83, FT-1855# Der vises flg. felter:# Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested# Johan David Bahn, 48 , Gift, Huusleier, Gartner, Huusfader, , Paa Giselfeld# Anna Marie Baggesen, 44 , Gift, Hans Kone, , Kjøbenhavn# Sophie Frederikke Bahn, 19 , Ugift, Deres Børn, , Lyngby# Hansine Bennedi?? [Hermine Benedicte] Bahn, 18 , Ugift, Deres Børn, , Lyngby# Johanne Kirstine Bahn, 14 , Ugift, Deres Børn, , Kjøbenhavn# Marie Mathilde Bahn, 11 , Ugift, Deres Børn, , Sverrig# Louisa Andrea Bahn, 9 , Ugift, Deres Børn, , Sverrig# Caroline Amalie Bahn, 4 , Ugift, Deres Børn, , Lunde Sogn, Odense Amt# Johan Frederik Hermann Bahn, 1 , Ugift, Deres Børn, , Her i Sognet [Korup]## Samtlige personer i husstanden# kbhv, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Øster Kvarter, , , , 6, FT-1834# Der vises flg. felter:# Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested## ### Frederik Bahn, 43 , Gift, , Kleinsmed Mand,har for det meste ikke Sønderlig# Arbeide,# Anne Chatrine, 43 , Gift, , hans Kone,# Marie Olsens, 48 , Ugift, , hun ernærer sig hved Vask,# Frederick Emilius, 15 , Ugift, , ,# Frederick Christian, 2 , Ugift, , ,# Mariane, 14 , Ugift, , ,# Lovise Katrine, 12 , Ugift, , ,# Johanne Elisabet, 9 , Ugift, , ,# Antonete, 5 , Ugift, , ,## Samtlige personer i husstanden# kbhv, København (Staden), Sankt Annæ Vester Kvarter, , , , 6, FT-1845# Der vises flg. felter:# Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested# ## Frederich Emilius Bahn, 26 , Ugift, , Væverlærling,logerende, Kiøbenhavn#### Samtlige personer i husstanden# kbhv, København (Staden), Snarens Kvarter, Snarens kvarter, , , 714, FT-1850# Der vises flg. felter:# Navn, Alder, Civilstand, Stilling i husstanden, Erhverv , Fødested# Peter Petersen, 50 , Gift, , arbeidsmand, Gentofte sogn, Kjøbenhavns amt# Frederike Wilhelmine Petersen, 39 , Gift, , hans kone, Kjøbenhavn# Peter Ole, 8 , Ugift, , hans kone, Dito# Frederik Emilius Bahn, 31 , Ugift, , töimager svend, logerende, Dito# Dortea Halmgren, 29 , Ugift, , sÿjomfru, logerende, Kjøge# Alfred Molau, 21 , Ugift, , handelsbetjent, logerende, Kjøbenhavn# Carl Fransen, 22 , Ugift, , handelsbetjent, logerende, Dito#

Shon Edwards to me More options 12:25 am(10 minutes ago)
# ------------ Původní zpráva ------------# Od: Dee Ann Larsen ># Předmět: More# Datum: 27.4.2006 00:15:13# ----------------------------------------# odense, Odense, Korup,# Korup By, , Et Huus, 83, FT-1855 Following fields are shown:# Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place Johan# David Bahn, 48, Gift, Huusleier, Gartner, Huusfader, , Paa Giselfeld# Anna Marie Baggesen, 44, Gift, Hans Kone, , Kjøbenhavn# Sophie Frederikke Bahn, 19, Ugift, Deres Børn, , Lyngby# Hansine Bennedi?? Bahn, 18, Ugift, Deres Børn, , Lyngby# Johanne Kirstine Bahn, 14, Ugift, Deres Børn, , Kjøbenhavn# Marie Mathilde Bahn, 11, Ugift, Deres Børn, , Sverrig# Louisa Andrea Bahn, 9, Ugift, Deres Børn, , Sverrig# Caroline Amalie Bahn, 4, Ugift, Deres Børn, , Lunde Sogn, Odense Amt# Johan Frederik Hermann Bahn, 1, Ugift, Deres Børn, , Her i Sognet [Korup]# All persons in the household# praestoe, Baarse, Allerslev, Allerslöv, , husmand, 8.fam., FT-1834 Following# fields are shown:# Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place# Diderich Heick, 57, Gift, , lever af sin jord, 7 tønder land.,# Johanne Magrethe Muus, 43, Gift, , hans kone,# Jacob Boesen, 19, Ugift, , tjenestefolk,# Karen Hans Datter, 24, Ugift, , tjenestefolk,# Jens Peder Baggesen, 33, Gift, , skibscaptain,# Dorthea Cramer, 28, Gift, , hans kone,# Kirsten Peders Datter, 22, Ugift, , deres tjenestepige,# persons in the household# København, København (Staden), Udenbys Vester Kvarter, Vesterbroe, , 2 st Etage,# Nr. 78 B, FT-1840 Following fields are shown:# Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place# Cicilie Hansen, 40, Enke, , Efter Hestehandler Hansen, Logerende,# Jacob Winsløw, 39, Ugift, , Isenkræmmer, logerende,# Magnus Hagen Baggesen, 28, Ugift, , Studichus Juris,# All persons in the household# København, København (Staden), Udenbys Klædebo Kvarter, Udenbys Klædebo Kvt. 1,# , Nørrebro 43, Qvisten, 3, FT-1840 Following fields are shown:# Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place Johan# David Bohn, 33, Gift, , Gartner,# Ane Marie Baggesen, 27, Gift, , hans Kone,# Sophie Frederike -, 4, Ugift, , Børn,# Hermine Benedicte -, 3, Ugift, , Børn,# Carl Harald Baggesen, 24, Ugift, , Secondlieutenant af det Slesvigske Inft.# Regt., All persons in the# household København, Sokkelund, Lyngby, en Gartnerbolig, , Frederiksdals Gods,# 6, FT-1834 Following fields are shown:# Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place Johan# David Bahn, 27, Ugift, , Gartner,# All persons in the household# København, København (Staden), Udenbys Klædebo Kvarter, Udenbys Klædebo kvarter,# , Østerbro no.106, stuen, 176, FT-1850 Following fields are shown:# Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place Carl# v Baggesen, 32, Gift, , liunt. ved 3die batt, ridder af d., Kjøbenhavn# Frederikke Baggesen, 30, Gift, , hans kone, Ditto# Hermine Baggesen, 9, Ugift, , deres datter, Slesvig# Helene Baggesen, 6, Ugift, , ditto, Fredericia# Marie Olander, 24, Ugift, , tjenestepige, Kjøbenhavn# All persons in the household# København, København (Staden), Christianshavn Kvarter, Christianshavn kvarter I,# , Lille Torvegade 110, 2den sal, 706, FT-1850 Following fields are shown:# Name, Age, Marital status, Position in household, Occupation , Birth place Peder# Baggesen, 48, Gift, , capitain ved Artilleriet, fraw i Krigstjeneste, Nestved# Güstavine Baggesen, 36, Gift, , hans kone, Randers# Fritz Baggesen, 15, Ugift, , deres børn, Rendsborg# Hermine Baggesen, 14, Ugift, , deres børn, Rendsborg# Laura Baggesen, 13, Ugift, , deres børn, Rendsborg# Christian Baggesen, 11, Ugift, , deres børn, Rendsborg# Carl Baggesen, 7, Ugift, , deres børn, Rendsborg# Marie Andersen, 25, Ugift, , tjenestepige, Humlebek#

DEATH: Also shown as Died Danmark.

Census
1860 • Hedevigslunde Skovhuse, Odense, Sct Hans, Odense, Denmark
507 Johan David Bahn Male 53 1807 Widow Husfader gartner, leier 508 Marie Mathilde Bahn Female 16 1844, 509 Lovise Andrea Bahn Female 14 1846 .510 Caroline Amalia Bahn Female 10 1850, Johan Frederik Bahn 8

Census
1870 • kongensgade, odense købstad, Odense, Fyn, Denmark
5514 Johan Frederik Herman Bahn Male 15 1855 Single Lærling Snedkerlærling

Anne Marie BAGGESEN [Parents] ^{1, 2, 3, 4, 5} was born ^{6, 7} on 16 Aug 1811 in København, København, Danmark. She was christened on 18 Oct 1811 in Trinitatis, Kobenhavn, Kobenhavn, Danmark. She died on 30 Nov 1859 in Gråbrødre Hospital, Odense, Odense, Danmark. She was buried on 08 Dec 1859 in Gråbrødre Hospital, Odense, Odense, Danmark. Anne married ^{4, 5, 8} Johan David BAHN on 07 Aug 1835 in Garnison, København, København, Danmark.

She was baptized in 18 OKT 1811 in København, Trinitatis K, Sokkelund H. She was confirmed on 22 Apr 1827% in København, Garnison K, Sokkelund Herred, Danmark.

B  Figured from age at marriage.  Place listed on Trostrup Korup 1855 Census, FHL 39,422.  1809 calc. from mar., 1810 calc. from birth.  She would have missed the 1860 census!  Calculated age from 1850 census (FHL 39,344, Odense, Lunde, Lunde, Beldringe, house 89) puts her birth at 1812 (38 in 1850), though this is later than her marriage record.  No further illumination on her birth place here either.  Only København listed.
M  Garnisons parish records, FHL 44,380, p. 621.  Sealing Batch #M218559;2604.
D  Odense marriage and death index,  FHL 517,605, under BAHN.  The parish is listed only as 'g.'  It is actually Gråbrødre Hospital, Odense, FHL 50,328.
Bur  Same.

NOTES/LOG:
-- Will figure out where she was born soon.  Have a listing of all parishes in Copenhagen.  Probably more than half of them have indexes in some form.  If don't find her, don't give up totally; it may simply be that she was not entered in an index - 4 Jan 1998, SRE.
-- ALSO, A NEW BIG COMPUTER DATABASE OF ALL DANISH CENSUSES FROM 1787 TO 1916 ARE BEING DATA ENTERED.  CHECK PERIODICALLY FOR ALL "BAGGE" HEADS OF HOUSEHOLD IN COPENHAGEN.  ALSO, NEW VITAL RECORDS CD PUT OUT BY CHURCH HAS SOME COPENHAGEN PARISH INDEXED FOR PROPER TIME PERIOD.  ELIMINATE ALL INDEXES AVAILABLE (both computerized and otherwise) AND LOOK UNDER OTHER PARISHES - 3 Jun 2000, SRE.
-- Check Gentofte.  Check Garnisons first, since that is where she married. Mother possibly born a bit earlier than 1787.
-- IN NEW OI (IGI) Feb 1997 addendum, FHL 184,116, p. 835, ord # 23293, SLAKE, SP is listed as Pre-1970.  This work was done by Alice Hermine FRANKLIN.  Could it be she knew the parents' names?  They are not listed in the OI, however!, though Pre-1970 does indicate that possibly the work was done for SP.
-- Because of a note written by Lynda Robinson, it would seem Hermine Benedicte Bahn was born into a higher-society type of family.  Maybe this could narrow the search for this person.
-- Begin summer 2002 looking for her birth in  Copenhagen.  Will start from castle and surrounding areas.  Many parishes are indexed.  Next will be looking for Frederik Henrick Bahn (or simultaneously, where possible) - SRE, 11 May 2002.
-- Searched test version of IGI 22 Jul 2002, but didn't find anything -- SRE, 23 Jul 2002.
-- Searched Copenhagen city and surrounding parishes for her birth as follows:  from 1806-1813:  Frederiksberg, Helligånds, Vor Frelser, Garnison, Frederiks tyske (indexes only), Skt. Petri (index only), Gentofte; 1806-1812:  Hof- og Slotkirken, Vartov, Holmen; 1807-1811:  Vor Frue, Trinitatis; 1806-1815:  Lyngby.  Those to check still might include Hvidovre, Citadel, Brønshøj, Rødovre, Gladaske, Brøndbyøster, Tårnby.  Additionally, institution parishes may be checked:  Børnehuset, Abel Catrines Stiftelse, Skt. Hans Hospital, Vajsenhuset (orphans), Ladegården (mental hospital since 1768), Søkvæsthuset (naval hospital), Vartov hospital menighed (Helligånds hospital), Opfostringhuset (orphanage), Fødselsstiftelsen (unwed mother's hospital), Frederiks Hospital, Christains Plajehus, Det civile Arresthus (prison), and Almindelig Hospital.  According to her marriage certificate, she lived at Akademigade #231.  This is now a stretch of Fredericiagade (between Bredgade to Store Kongensgade), and has been since 1869 (see http://homeb.inet.tele.dk/flemclarA/Kvarterer.html).  This area was formerly in Garnison parish (see http://www.horlacher.org/denmark/copenh/copstr.htm).  This is the same parish they were married in.  Only problem is there are no moving in and out records for Garnison parish.  This could lead us to her previous parish, if it existed.  Husband, Johan David Bahn was living in Frederiksdal.  One of the witnesses was from same place.  Other one was a military officer, and doesn't list locality, but rather "King's regiment".  Anything possible here?  Also have checked Lyngby parish (the one where they both moved to right after marriage and had two kids) for Anna's birth, but no luck.  Interestingly, this is close to Frederiksdal, where JDB lived at time of marriage - SRE, 13 Feb 2003.
-- On the marriage of JDB and AMB, there are two witnesses, both seem to be quite upper class.  One is from Frederiksdal in Lyngby parish (where Johan David Bahn is from, according to marriage certificate).  The other is a Captain in the King's Regiment, C. C. Schultz.  If I could find out where he was based, that might help me know where AMB is from; don't know.  We actually do know where she was from when she was married (Garnison), but don't have any moving in or out records for that parish to give us any further clues.  Maybe I should look for the death of Bagge's in that parish and check probates of them, to see if AMB is mentioned.  So I can check the institutional parishes in Copenhagen for her birth, as well as wills for Trøstrup Korup, Odense (if that's where she lived when she died).  If JDB married again after her death, there would have had to be a probate by law, because of such young kids (the youngest was five).  And it's still fairly likely she would have had a will in any case.  Even though TK is so small, it is part of five or six estate jurisdictions, so I have that many sets of records to search.  Also, they may have moved back to Lunde or even been living in Odense at the time she died, so it's hard to know where to check.  I checked the index for TK and didn't find JDB there again, either moving out, dying, or marrying again.  Also looked at births of kids to see places where witnesses were from.  All localities were either in Lyngby or Gentofte parishes (e.g., Frederiksdal, Orderup).  Maybe Bagge could be checked for death and will in these two parishes, as well -- SRE, 2-26-03.
-- Still need to check some things in the following order:
   - Check illegitimtate birth films for Garnison parish, FHL 44365.  Also, for Danish births, there are two films.  Not sure if they overlap.  Tried looking in 44363 already, no results, but try 44634, which is the other film.
    - Check confirmations for AMB beginning 1823 in Gentofte parish (when she was about 14 years old).  44373 contains German confirmations 1814-1851, so covers the time period.  Cover from around 1821-1828, though.  For Danish confirmations, see 44388 (1807-1834).   There is a general film, apparently without regard to ethnicity on 44378 (1805-1858).  Check all of these.
    - Check institution parishes in Copenhagen not yet checked, especially unwed mothers parish.
    - Will check wills for different estate jurisdictions that were part of Trøstrup Korup.  This is a bit more tricky.  Of the seven different jurisdictions that covered this area, we only have films for two of the "gods":  Dallund gods, and of that, only a part:  Registerprotokol for Lunde og Skam herreder  med register, 1852-1912, FHL 49962 (item 1?); and Harritslevgård gods:  Skifteprotokoller med register 1835-1871, FHL 49988.
    - Check wills for Odense city.
    - Continue checking DDD database.
    - Find out more about C.C. Schultz, captain of the King's regiment, and where he was physically located.
SRE, 1 Mar 2003.
-- Found her in IGI yesterday.  Looks like submitter lives in LA area.  No info on submitter.  See also notes of father.  Not sure of exact parish.  Though exact birth/chr. dates were given, no parish is given.  Fastest way to find will probably be to search Copenhagen parishes under AMB's exact christening date until found.  Search city parishes first, then surrounding area, SRE 4 Nov 2003.
-- Made a breakthrough today.  Ran several searches on this family.  While doing a parent search (Herman Baggesen, Kirstsine Pedersen), found two families, one submitted by family member in California; the other extracted.  The extracted family listed Hermandsen as surname, the family member Baggesen.  Definitely the same family.  I must have missed this in going through those records before, which I did last year.  This was around the time that especially people in cities and upper class were switching to fixed surnames.  We have another relative who switched about the same time:  cf. Thor Gundersen -> Gunder Gundersen.  It's now possible to work on this family more.  , SRE 4 Nov 2003.

GIVEN NAMES: Also shown as Ane Marie

BIRTH: Also shown as Born København, Tagenshus, Trinitatis S, Sokkelund H.

DEATH: Also shown as Died Odense, Gråbrødre Hosp, Odense H.

BURIAL: Also shown as Buried Odense, Gråbrødre Hosp. Kgd, Odense H.

Ole ISAKSON (Farmer) ¹ was born in 1866 in Oslo, Akershus, Norge. He died on 27 Jan 1915 in Hastwells, Wellington, New Zealand. He was buried on 30 Jan 1915 in Mangamahoe, Wellington, New Zealand. Ole married Betty Emelie (Amelia) GUNDERSEN on 29 May 1891 in Masterton, Wellington, New Zealand.

B  Info obtained from certificate.  Christiania is an old name for Oslo.
M  1891 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration cert #3416, issued 8 Feb 1960.
D  1915 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration.  Death place listed as "Hastwells (Reg-
  istered Eketamuna), NZ."  Eketamuna possibly a cemetery or a town:
  Eketahunga.  (Both Eketahunga and Hastwells are in Wairarapa.)
Ole and Betty listed as having four children, born in 1892, 1893, 1895, and
1898.  The names and sexes were not known.

Betty Emelie (Amelia) GUNDERSEN [Parents] ¹ was born on 19 May 1867 in København, København, Danmark. She died on 19 Dec 1953 in Feilding, Wellington, New Zealand. She was buried on 21 Dec 1953 in Hastwells, Wellington, New Zealand. Betty married Ole ISAKSON (Farmer) on 29 May 1891 in Masterton, Wellington, New Zealand.

Birth:  Family information
Marriage:  1891 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration, cert. #3416, issued 8 Feb. 1960.
Death:  1953 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration, cert. #7804, issued 8 Feb. 1960.

James Trevilian Vercoe MCGREGOR Farmer ¹ was born in 1862 in Wanganui, Taranaki, New Zealand. He died on 16 Feb 1947 in New Plymouth, Taranaki, New Zealand. He was buried on 18 Feb 1947 in Te Henui Cemetery, New Plymouth, Taranaki, New Zealand. James married Jenny Henriette GUNDERSEN on 27 Apr 1885 in Masterton, Wellington, New Zealand.

Birth:  Information taken from certificate.
Marriage:  1885 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration, cert. #3421, issued 8 Feb 1960.
Death:  1947 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration.

Jenny Henriette GUNDERSEN [Parents] ¹ was born on 10 Apr 1869 in København, København, Danmark. She died on 02 Sep 1934 in Rira Aria, New Zealand. She was buried on 04 Sep 1934 in Aria, Hamilton, New Zealand. Jenny married James Trevilian Vercoe MCGREGOR Farmer on 27 Apr 1885 in Masterton, Wellington, New Zealand.

B  Family information.
M  1885 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration, cert. #3421, issued 8 Feb 1960.
D  1934 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration cert. #7812, issued 8 Feb 1960. Probably in Taranaki?  There is at least a "Rira."

Harrie KEENE (Farmer) ¹ was born about 1869 in Brinkworth, Wiltshire, England. He died on 12 Nov 1943 in Whangarei, Auckland, New Zealand. He was buried on 15 Nov 1943 in Maunu Cemetery, , , New Zealand. Harrie married Emma Hedvig GUNDERSEN on 12 Mar 1891 in Masterton, Wellington, New Zealand.

Birth:
Marriage:  1891 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration, cert. #3418, issued 8 Feb 1960.
Death:  1943 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration.

Emma Hedvig GUNDERSEN [Parents] ¹ was born on 07 Feb 1873 in Christchurch, Canterbury, New Zealand. She died on 05 Sep 1947 in Whangarei, Auckland, New Zealand. She was buried on 08 Sep 1947 in Maunu Cemetery, , , New Zealand. Emma married Harrie KEENE (Farmer) on 12 Mar 1891 in Masterton, Wellington, New Zealand.

Birth:  1873 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration cert. #46028, issued 8 Feb 1960.
Marriage:  1891 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration cert. #3418, issued 8 Feb 1960.
Death:  1947 NZ Reg. GEn. Registration cert. #7814, issued 8 Feb 1960.

Karl "Charles" William GUNDERSEN [Parents] ¹ was born on 23 Jan 1875 in Mauriceville West, Wellington, New Zealand. He died on 02 Dec 1947 in Pahiatua, Wellington, New Zealand. He was buried on 04 Dec 1947 in Eketahuna Cemetery, Eketahuna, Wellington, New Zealand. Karl married Johanna Christine PEDERSEN on 25 Aug 1903 in Mauriceville, Wellington, New Zealand.

Birth:  1875 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration cert. #46023, issued 8 Feb 1960.
Marriage:  1903 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration cert #3419, issued 8 Feb 1960.
Death:  1947 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration Cert #7807, issued 8 Feb 1960.

Johanna Christine PEDERSEN ¹ was born on 12 Apr 1883 in Whareama, Masterton, Wellington, New Zealand. She died on 29 Jul 1950 in Feilding, Wellington, New Zealand. She was buried on 31 Jul 1950 in Eketahuna, Wellington, New Zealand. Johanna married Karl "Charles" William GUNDERSEN on 25 Aug 1903 in Mauriceville, Wellington, New Zealand.

Birth:  1883 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration.
Marriage:  1903 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration, cert #3419, issued 8 Feb 1960.
Death:  1950 NZ Reg. Gen. Registration.