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Katharina FEIGL [Parents] 1 was born 2, 3 in Cal 1762 in of, Pillinghof, Pyhra, Niederösterreich,Österreich. Katharina married 4, 5 Leopold KÖGL on 23 Jan 1787 in Hinterholz, Pyhra, Niederösterreich, Österreich. She was sealed, not born, to her parents.
NOTES:
-- I think I just added her to the set of parents I logically deduced was hers. Check the parents of the 1760 and 1766 Katharina FEIGLINs to make sure of this.
-- This is correct. There are actually three of them: 1760, 1766, and 1762 (ours, but not listed in the Pyhra records). Tried to show one of the 1760 or 1766 ones, but those two could not be correct.
-- Although it can't be conclusively proven yet which of two Katharinas this person is, who were born in this parish (1766 or 1760), the former would be two years younger than the husband, and the latter, four years older. The most logical choice would usually be the one two years younger, but in the marriage record, Katharina is listed as two years older than him. The fact of the wife being older may be more significant than her exact age. Ages may either be lied about or have been confused over time, so the more likely of the two seems to be the one four years older. More information should be found on this, however.
-- Or perhaps, our person is not one of the two above, nor listed in the index, but possibly still in the actual records. A thorough search has been done of this. The actual parish was searched, as well as the index, from 1761-1764 inclusive. This yielded no results. Something to check is that in the marriage of the Katharina we know to be ours, the one who married Leopold KÖGL, a Georg Feigl of Pillinghof is listed as a witness. Katharina is also listed as coming from Pillinghof, whereas the 1766 person is born in Schaubing, as are her other silbings?, and the 1760 person is born in Pyhra, as are her other siblings?. The only FEIGLs in the index in this parish at this time that have Georg in their names are Johann Georgius, born 1 Feb 1756 in PILLINGHOF (check to make sure this is true) to Joannes Georgius and Barbara KÖGL (this same couple, Johannes Georg FEIGL of PILLINGHOF and Barbara AMPÜCHL were were married in 1743). JG and B were the parents of the Johann Georgius b. 1756. Possibly either J G Sr. or Jr. was the person who appeared in the marriage record of Katharina FEIGLIN as Georg FEIGL, thus possibly being either her father or brother. This is probably the correct family. Interestingly, there is only one record of a child of theirs being born in this parish. A more likely scenario would be that they had more children, but were just christened in a different parish. Pillinghof is a small enough place that it doesn't even occur in "Gemeindelexikon" gazetteer, so that narrows it down even more. Definitely, the most likely thing is that her parents are Johannes Georg FEIGL and Barbara AMPÜCHL, so this is the way I am setting it up - Shon R. Edwards 2/99.
-- Check to make sure that Pillinghof is in this parish (it seems it could be, since a generation further back, it is mentioned again, with Martin FEIGL's birth). If not though, check to see where it is, and write to get a confirmation of other kids. Interestingly, JG Feigl and Barbara were married in this parish in 1743; a son was born to them in 1756. No other children are apparently born to them. Why? Check Kasten, if it is a neighboring parish, which I believe it was. Check through our Kasten photocopies, as well as the video that we took of parish registers, to see if we can find some FEIGLs born on the same page - Shon R. Edwards 2/99.
-- I sent an e-mail on 13 Oct 2004 to the Landesarchiv Niederösterreich to ascertain whether there were in existence Heiratsprotokolle (seignorial marriage books) for the seignory which Hinterholtz belonged to. I got a reply on 9 Nov 2004. The surviving books for this Herrschaft (seignory) of Ochsenburg are apparently now located in the city archive of St. Pölten. The record may or may not have been there anyway?, since before 1848, the couple had to have the permission of their parents and overlord until 24 years of age. (She might have been 25 at marriage, and he 23.) Definitely, however, the Inventursprotokolle from 1764-1840 should be checked for Katharina Feigl's and Leopold Kögl's parents wills, as well as their own. This might also seal a connection, and is now definitely the best chance to connect Kathariana Feigl to her probable parents, Johannes Georg Feigl and Barbara Ampüchl. Here is the e-mail exchange, as well as a copy of the Bestand (holdings) for the seignorial records for Ochsenburg seignory -- SRE, 9 Nov 2004:
MY E-MAIL:
On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 01:23:28 -0600 Shon R Edwards writes:
> Können Sie mir bitte sagen, in welchem Archiv die Kauf- und
> Heiratsprotokolle (besonders Heiratsprotokolle für 1787),
> Inventursprotokolle, Brundbücher usw. für Hinterholtz (in der Nähe
> von
> Pyhra) sich befinden?
>
> Auch die Adresse, E-mail und Öffnungszeitendes Archivs? Sind diese
> Bücher in Ihrem Archiv in St. Pölten oder irgendwo in einem
> Außendepot?
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> Wäre es auch möglich, eine Kopie vom Bestand dafür zu bekommen?
>
> Besten Dank für Ihre Hilfe!
>
> Shon Edwards
>
RESPONSE TO MY E-MAIL:
On Tue, 9 Nov 2004 09:59:53 +0100 "Loinig Elisabeth" writes:
> AMT DER NIEDEROESTERREICHISCHEN LANDESREGIERUNG
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> Betrifft: Herrschaftsarchivalien Hinterholz
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> Sehr geehrter Herr Edwards!
> Die Ortschaft Hinterholz bei Pyhra gehörte bis ca. 1790 zur
> Herrschaft Ochsenburg, danach wurde diese Herrschaft mit einigen
> anderen zur zur Staatsherrschaft St.Poelten vereint.
> Die noch vorhandenen Buecher und Akten der ehemaligen
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> Kreisgericht St. Poelten, Nr. 141" Dieser Bestand wird zur Zeit
> nicht im NOE Landesarchiv, sondern im Stadtarchiv St.Poelten
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> 141/24 Grundbuch 1803 - 1847/1870
> 141/36 Gewaehrbuch 1824 - 1850
> 141/59 Hausdienst-, Robot- und Gabenbuch 1840 - 1848
> 141/72 Ueberlaenddienstbuch 1840 - 1848
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> 141/80 Heiratsprotokoll 1821 - 1850
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